My Conversation With The ATF  

New2Midlo 52M  
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1/11/2022 4:42 pm

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1/11/2022 4:43 pm

My Conversation With The ATF

As those who've read my previous entries know, I build my own suppressors. One can do so, with the proper approvals from the ATF. It should go without saying that all of the ones I've built have been appropriately approved; not a fan of being a felon. To recap, the way that most of us build our own is by modifying components that we from vendors. The stated use of these parts is as a solvent trap, something that would take more to explain than would be worth my time writing or your time reading. But suffice to say that everyone knows that these parts will be used to build suppressors. For the most part, the ATF leaves these vendors alone, but keep a close eye on whether their activities transition them to be perpetrators. Considering the ATF further expands their definition of what's a suppressor on what seems like a monthly basis, most vendors are careful. However, Diversified Machine wasn't careful and was everything you needed to build a suppressor as a kit and was marking where to drill. DM got raided and seized by the ATF about a year ago, because they consider kits to be silencers. On a side note, ATF has been known to consider a lot of things to be silencers. For example, a popular Youtuber in the 4x4 truck space ordered a bunch of oil filters for his trucks and had the ATF show up, demanding he surrender the silencers. The guy had a very public portrait of what his intent was for the oil filters (to filter oil!) and didn't even own a gun. But at the end, ATF didn't care and took his filters.

Anyway, what's different about the DM seizure is the ATF decided to go after DM's customers, because they were in possession of silencers, and you guessed it, I was one of them. Because we hobbyists talk to one another, I became aware of a letter that was going to all of DM's customers, in which the ATF Asshat in Charge, Detroit Field Office, does his best to scare the recipient with threats of felony charges if they don't surrender the "silencers" they purchased. Contact your local ATF field office and arrange to surrender your evil booty or else. What became obvious was that in typical ATF fashion, they never bothered to check what each customer purchased, so they could have bought an evil kit or a small component that couldn't be considered to be a silencer, even if the agent dropped acid. In other words, this letter was a fishing expedition. The fish, in this instance, were those who parts, build suppressors, and never request approval from the ATF. In all fairness, that's probably 90% of those who build cans.

As a result, I had a pleasant conversation with Special Agent [name withheld] from the KC field office today. It was clear she wasn't aware of the letter I attached to my email (which said not spending anymore time dealing with your menus and submenus, yet still not talking to a live human; ). The research she'd done indicated, at which point she sort of stuttered, to which I filled in 'it's a fishing expedition', to which she wouldn't confirm, but didn't deny. She was clearly a bit miffed that this shit was going on. At that point, I informed her that I didn't anything from DM that the ATF considered to be a silencer, this month, and the components I did were consumed in a silencer, for which I had a tax stamp. She said she'd double check, but that I was probably good to go. This is the same message others had received. She asked for the tax stamp , which I provided, along with ribbing her that it was so ATF that I had to provide the that they had issued, instead of her punching my name into their system. I also took the time to poke more fun at the ATF, sharing the oil filter story, which she seemed genuinely surprised by. It was clear she was accustomed to having her employer poked fun at and I felt a bit of tacit agreement from her.

She promised to back with the disposition, to which I responded with a request that she give a heads up if it wasn't cool so I could send my somewhere safe. The ATF has a history of shooting to the point where there are memes about it.


New2Midlo 52M  
1075 posts
1/11/2022 4:43 pm

As those who've read my previous entries know, I build my own suppressors. One can do so, with the proper approvals from the ATF. It should go without saying that all of the ones I've built have been appropriately approved; not a fan of being a felon. To recap, the way that most of us build our own is by modifying components that we buy from vendors. The stated use of these parts is as a solvent trap, something that would take more to explain than would be worth my time writing or your time reading. But suffice to say that everyone knows that these parts will be used to build suppressors. For the most part, the ATF leaves these vendors alone, but keep a close eye on whether their activities transition them to be perpetrators. Considering the ATF further expands their definition of what's a suppressor on what seems like a monthly basis, most vendors are careful. However, Diversified Machine wasn't careful and was selling everything you needed to build a suppressor as a kit and was marking where to drill. DM got raided and seized by the ATF about a year ago, because they consider kits to be silencers. On a side note, ATF has been known to consider a lot of things to be silencers. For example, a popular Youtuber in the 4x4 truck space ordered a bunch of oil filters for his trucks and had the ATF show up, demanding he surrender the silencers. The guy had a very public portrait of what his intent was for the oil filters (to filter oil!) and didn't even own a gun. But at the end, ATF didn't care and took his filters.

Anyway, what's different about the DM seizure is the ATF decided to go after DM's customers, because they were in possession of silencers, and you guessed it, I was one of them. Because we hobbyists talk to one another, I became aware of a letter that was going to all of DM's customers, in which the ATF Asshat in Charge, Detroit Field Office, does his best to scare the recipient with threats of felony charges if they don't surrender the "silencers" they purchased. Contact your local ATF field office and arrange to surrender your evil booty or else. What became obvious was that in typical ATF fashion, they never bothered to check what each customer purchased, so they could have bought an evil kit or a small component that couldn't be considered to be a silencer, even if the agent dropped acid. In other words, this letter was a fishing expedition. The fish, in this instance, were those who buy parts, build suppressors, and never request approval from the ATF. In all fairness, that's probably 90% of those who build cans.

As a result, I had a pleasant conversation with Special Agent [name withheld] from the KC field office today. It was clear she wasn't aware of the letter I attached to my email (which said I'm not spending anymore time dealing with your menus and submenus, yet still not talking to a live human; call me). The research she'd done indicated, at which point she sort of stuttered, to which I filled in 'it's a fishing expedition', to which she wouldn't confirm, but didn't deny. She was clearly a bit miffed that this shit was going on. At that point, I informed her that I didn't buy anything from DM that the ATF considered to be a silencer, this month, and the components I did buy were consumed in a silencer, for which I had a tax stamp. She said she'd double check, but that I was probably good to go. This is the same message others had received. She asked for the tax stamp number, which I provided, along with ribbing her that it was so ATF that I had to provide the number that they had issued, instead of her punching my name into their system. I also took the time to poke more fun at the ATF, sharing the oil filter story, which she seemed genuinely surprised by. It was clear she was accustomed to having her employer poked fun at and I felt a bit of tacit agreement from her.

She promised to call me back with the disposition, to which I responded with a request that she give me a heads up if it wasn't cool so I could send my dog somewhere safe. The ATF has a history of shooting dogs to the point where there are memes about it.


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